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[-] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago

The last thing I will say on this topic is that the US is divided on abortion rights. Only 14 states have total abortion bans since Roe vs Wade was overturned and I doubt anyone here would be foolish enough to claim that those states speak for the entire population of the US. Yet when it comes to the execution by the state of Missouri of a black man, suddenly, that lone state speaks for an entire population of 330 million people.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

suddenly, that lone state speaks for an entire population of 330 million people.

When someone calls a government a "regime" they're usually implying that the government doesn't accurately reflect the will of the people.

[-] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Reading about it I am not completly convinced that he is innocent, but I think that there is 100% plausible reason to doubt that he is guilty. This should defintly be enough to stop an execution.

Edit: Maybe read the whole statement before getting a rage fit? I said he shouldn't have been killed. I am also not moderate and (according to US standards) I am apparently not white as a muslim turkish person.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

It doesn't matter if he did it or not, honestly. If the state can't be 10000% certain the person they are about to murder is guilty of a heinous crime then it shouldn't be possible to fucking murder them.

This isnt about innocence. This is about the state denying this Black Muslim man due process and constitutional protections.

And on that note, its impossible to prove guilt in these cases, which is why the death penalty needs to be abolished. Are you comfortable with the idea of bring executed for a crime because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Because I'm sure fucking not.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago

Maybe you should have read my whole statement before writing this wall of text?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I'm agreeing with your conclusion but not with your reasoning.

You reason that since it looks like he might be innocent, he shouldn't have been executed. Extrapolating from this yields that you also believe that if you felt he was definitely guilty, he should have been executed.

I'm saying that because this uncertainty exists at all as a concept the death penalty should be abolished. Its impossible to prove someone's guilt 100% in these cases, therefore the death penalty is immoral. Not just in this case but in every case.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 14 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

I am just arguing about his case within the local law. Not about the sanity of the local within moral boundaries. So we two are having two different arguments here.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

they're agreeing with you and taking it further, i'm pretty sure

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

I'm convinced he is innocent. If he was not they would have evidence instead of paid testimonies against him.

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[-] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago
  • Be an advanced, developed nation
  • Maintain the death penalty

Pick one.

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago

Call me radical, but I don't think any government should be killing people.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

There are a lot of governments in the world that agree with you. Not the US government, not at all.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago

For the record, the super majority of pro-life Christian, patriotic judges in SCOTUS voted against stopping this on a 6-3 ruling.

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