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The National Federation of Republican Assemblies (NFRA) has cited the infamous 1857 Dred Scott Supreme Court decision, which stated that enslaved people weren’t citizens, to argue that Vice President Kamala Harris is ineligible to run for president according to the Constitution.

The group also challenged the right of Vivek Ramaswamy and Nikki Haley to appear on Republican primary ballots.

The Republican group’s platform and policy document noted that “The Constitutional qualifications of Presidential eligibility” states that “No person except a natural born Citizen, shall be eligible, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

The same document included former President Donald Trump’s running mate Ohio Senator JD Vance on a list of preferred candidates for vice president.

The group, which adopted the document during their last national convention held between October 13 and 15 last year, goes on to argue in the document that a natural-born citizen has to be born in the US to parents who are citizens when the child is born, pointing to the thinking of Supreme Court Justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Good old GOP. It is amazing how much pathetic can be housed in one party.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I nearly spat out my drink.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

“An originalist and strict constructionist understanding of the Constitution in the Scalia and Thomas tradition, as well as precedent-setting U.S. Supreme Court cases ... have found that a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ is defined as a person born on American soil of parents who are both citizens of the United States at the time of the child’s birth,” the document states.

The group then cites six cases including *Dred Scott v Sandford. *The 1857 ruling came a few years before the 1861 outbreak of the US Civil War over the issue of slavery, stating that enslaved people could not be citizens, meaning that they couldn’t expect to receive any protection from the courts or the federal government. The ruling also said that Congress did not have the power to ban slavery from a federal territory.

They’re kinda forgetting about the whole 14th Amendment thing which changes the constitution to ban slavery. An amendment is very different than a law banning slavery.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Their interpretation isn't "originalist" or "strict" at all. It's just what they want to say, at any given moment. History would be very different if both of your parents had to be US citizens. The president of the US is required to be a "natural born citizen"

Of the 45[a] individuals who became president, there have been eight that had at least one parent who was not born on U.S. soil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause_(United_States)

For one, Donald Trump might not be president because his mother was born in Scotland.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trumps-immigrant-mother

For those (uninformed) Trump supporters who claim she was a citizen when little Donny was born, that's true but her immigration process was much easier than it is today. This is it, in its entirety:

On May 2, MacLeod left Glasgow on board the RMS Transylvania arriving in New York City on May 11 (one day after her 18th birthday). She declared she intended to become a U.S. citizen and would be staying permanently in America.

Though the 1940 census form filed by Mary Anne and her husband, Fred Trump, stated that she was a naturalized citizen, she did not actually become one until March 10, 1942.[1][6][7] However, there is no evidence that she violated any immigration laws prior to her naturalization, as she frequently traveled internationally and was afterwards able to re-enter the U.S.

[She] became a naturalized citizen in March 1942

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Anne_MacLeod_Trump

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

They ignored the 14th for the Dobbs decision. This is right in line with current SCOTUS jurisprudence.

Illegitimate SCOTUS.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

Madison v Marbury was wrongly decided, CMV.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

There's a special irony in relying on Clarence Thomas to vet your Dred Scott decision to try and deny a poc a place on the ballot.

They’re kinda forgetting about the whole 14th Amendment thing

Modern conservatives can and do argue that the 14th Amendment isn't valid because of the post-Civil War state of martial law. But then they'll argue that the original secession was legal, because there's nothing in the Constitution that says you can't secede. But also, there's penumbral rights afforded specifically to white Christian men. But then also, the 17th and 19th amendments don't count, because idfk something about the color of the fringe on the flag or some dumb confused legalistic bullshit.

It's all Calvinball. The end game of any purely legalist institution is just layer after layer of silly interpretations stacked to the upper atmosphere, with a bunch of old grouchy know-it-alls yelling "Stop breaking the law!" from behind it all.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

...at the time of Adoption of this Constitution...

They're all dead so, no living person can be President?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Wooooow.

Edit: Also, what does this mean since Obama already was pres?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Doesn't mean shit. They're flinging shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. They used the same shit on Haley and Vivek, and it didn't stick.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh I'm sure they threw a monumental hissy fit about Obama's presidency (and re-election). Didn't mean shit then and doesn't mean shit now, because their flagrantly racist bullshit has no validity.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

stay classy, guys

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

If there was any doubt just what they are planning... This should clear it up. If you aren't straight... Christian... And White

Your future in the US is not assor ed. The fact that you were born here, will not save you

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

They're ping-ponging between "She's not actually black" and "She's too black". Always a strong sign for a campaign.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

She's not actually black" and "She's too black".

so fascism.

they were successful in 2016 with that same shit. the maga base mainline this type of dissonance for breakfast.

in the end, maga is a pack of rabid, feral skunks and they will show up to vote - so damn close to everything they think they want.

but I think what we saw in 2020 was it. thats the totally of their vote. I don't think there is substantive additional out there.

however, I think there is a ton more "Republicans are now creepy weird" vote out there. it just needs to show up to the polls and be able to legally vote. the biden/kamala-quake shook anyones shit up enough to get her serious public attention. the vote we need is watching now so I am cool with every rock the insane clown GOPosse gives us.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

so fascism.

Well, racism.

they were successful in 2016 with that same shit.

More white women voted for Trump than Hilary. I don't think this was a fascism thing nearly so much as a failure-of-neoliberalism thing. Hilary built her campaign around a very business friendly professionalist campaign that had absolutely no appeal in the blue collar Rust Belt or the service sector heavy Atlantic Coast.

A better (cough Sanders cough) campaign wouldn't have hemorrhaged support through the Midwest and cost Hillary winnable states like Pennsylvania and Michigan.

maga is a pack of rabid, feral skunks and they will show up to vote

Trump has been a big motivator for turnout when he was at the top of the ticket in '16 and '20. But MAGA as a movement doesn't seem nearly as enthusiastic without their Big Guy driving the turnout directly. Case in point, Trump was all over Alabama campaigning for the Senate primary. His primary pick lost. His backup primary pick lost. And then the pedophile freak who rode a christian white nationalist wave was the first Republican to lose a statewide Alabama election in nearly 20 years, purely because participation tanked.

Trump's One Cool Trick was to tap into a large number of otherwise apathetic voters and use them to win primaries. But when they're not voting for him specifically, he's done a poor job of GOTV.

Biden was dead weight on the ticket up until he dropped out, and Harris is enjoying an "Anyone But Biden" rebound. But that just makes this a race to the bottom in terms of candidate quality. Its not enough to just blame losses on Republican enthusiasm. Dems have been disappointing and betraying their base straight back to the Carter Era. Neoliberalism has choked progressive activism and liberal populism, ceding enormous amounts of territory to the Republicans.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I'm not even surprised by the racism in the Republican party anymore. It's just sad how hateful these people are.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Holy shit, these assholes are desperate and batshit crazy

George Washington would have been ineligible

Not like that I guess (he's white and also its unthinkable the guy who like helped found USAmerica couldn't be president)

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

When in doubt, double down on the racism too.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Every single member of that organization should be afraid of showing their pathetic little fucked up faces in public for the rest of their lives.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Whoa.. the headline does not do the severity any justice. And yeah, the writer should just include a link to a related article with the pictures and names of the people that spouted this hateful ... Garbage.

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