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[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

The Democratic Party can do whatever they want. It's not a conspiracy. They are openly pushing forward the only candidate that got any votes! The time to replace Biden was 10 months ago, not now.

It's not rocket science. I think most of the people pushing this narrative are not doing so in good faith.

I mean, who is the supposed person to become presidential nominee? And how would we get them in the ballot in 50 states in late July? That is an impossibility. And these assignments never seem to put forward anyone that actually wants the job. It's just complaints that are either coming from non-good-faith psyops, or ignorance.

I think that's why it's being pushed now, to cause the Democrats to change horses mid-stream and cause a fatal error. Democrats can change horses in late January 2025 if they want.

The race is close. 538 has Biden leading by a nose. Everything is within the margin of error. So, time to get on board the Biden train.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

Consider the last months before election. Congress is held up by Republicans on public hearings related to the Trump shooting. Trump is holding rallies. Meanwhile the Biden campaign has to limit the nr of Biden appearances due to old age. To defeat the Reps we need a candidate that can be in the spotlight 24/7, and Biden cannot do that job. That’s why changing the candidate is essential.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago

This narrative is horseshit. People only think there's not enough time because Americans think an election is supposed to be four years long. Other countries are more than capable of calling for and finishing their elections in less than a few months.

It's almost like there's a convention where all the Democrats are going to be at, where there could be a series of debates that could either demonstrate Biden's ability to inspire the party, or find someone who can. If only all of the country's current Democratic representatives were there, we could almost have something like a representative democracy.

What's actually happening is the DNC doesn't care, thinks they still have this election in the bag, and just want to ram Biden through irregardless of what members of the public or his own party think or say. They already fucked up by refusing a legitimate primary process, and now their play is to claim their hands are tied. We have 4 months until November; there is time.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

thinks they still have this election in the bag

No, they absolutely do not. They're just terrified to make a big change and blow it.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

So instead, they’re gonna not make a big change and blow it that way instead.

For real, if Biden flubs this whole thing, it’s going to not only shatter every single bit of his vaunted political legacy, but also go down in history as the most absurd and politically idiotic examples of the sunk cost fallacy in modern politics.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Also bystander effect. Whose responsibility is it?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Theirs, they're the party.

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[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

And how would we get them in the ballot in 50 states in late July? That is an impossibility.

I don't disagree with you, but this is a little misleading. Whoever the Democratic Party nominates will be on the ballot. They don't need to gather signatures or anything like that to gain ballot access. They could nominate Harris tomorrow and she would be on the ballot.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

In every state? The GOP said they would fight it and challenge it everywhere.

Besides, Harris supports Biden as Pres right now.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Yeah as long as the party meets the state filing deadlines there isn't any problem. The issue with places like Ohio is that the DNC scheduled their official nomination vote to occur after the Ohio filing deadline.

Fully agreed on Harris, just providing an example. I honestly don't know if swapping Biden is the right call. I just want them to make a choice and go back to focusing on the danger the GOP brings. If Biden says he can do it, I'll campaign for him as hard as I possibly can. I will do the same no matter who the Democrats nominate.

We just have to stop the infighting. I really wish the Democratic establishment was more responsive to their constituents, but now is not the time to punish them electorally.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

It's not "infighting" if the party pushes an unpopular candidate who ends up losing, that's just what happens democratically when unpopular candidates run.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

There is no "places like Ohio" - Ohio was the only one. And they passed legislation this year to move the filing deadline back explicitly to accommodate the DNC. So that argument doesn't hold water at this point.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

To poorly quote John Oliver, if Britain and France can do it, so can we.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

538 has Biden leading by a nose.

Can you link what you're citing? If it's national polling, Biden appears to be trailing by a nose.

EDIT: I think I found the link corroborating what you said.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/?cid=rrpromo

[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Agreed that we hear a lot of this "we need to replace Biden if we want to win" that did not exist prior to the debate. It makes me wonder how much of the confusion is manufactured by outside influencers (just like in 2016) because all the dictators of the world would love to have Trump running the show again. They get anything they want while Trump strips the US for parts and installs his kids to govern over all that can't escape. He eventually loses the remaining "him" that is left and sits in his money like Scrooge McDuck with full on dementia unaware of what is even going on or where he is.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

There is literally zero reason to do this now that Ohio moved their deadline...

[-] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Ohio passed a law moving the deadline from Aug 7 to Aug 31, but technically that law does not take effect until Sep 1.

No law passed by the general assembly shall go into effect until ninety days after it shall have been filed by the governor in the office of the secretary of state

So the reason to do a virtual roll call is to prevent legal shenanigans from the Trump campaign.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I think I’m having a stroke… can that take all morning?

This is the second article today that starts somewhere in the middle, then wanders around aimlessly retracing its own steps.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

wanders around aimlessly

Kinda like Biden?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Has he actually managed to retrace his own steps recently?

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

They have also moved to ensure this is not final and binding, and will hold a normal convention later in August.

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[-] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Incredible: Trump leading Biden in all 7 major swing states: Polling

I've been making plans since 2021 to get out of this country when it became necessary to do so. The DNC is hastening my departure.

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