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How is waydroid a hassle? also literally all android emulators ARE just android x86 in a VM, the VM of choice is typically virtualbox
installing some random kernel that has the modules waydroid needs watching what gpu you have, which changes the instructions a little and even than its pure luck if waydroid even manages to use these binders
id call that a hassle
Waydroid will work out of box if the kernel has binder or binderfs enabled, which I believe ubuntu based, pop, fedora all have it OOB, on arch, you have linux-zen in the main repo, this covers the large majority of linux installations, I would recommend asking your kernel packagers for your distro to enable binder/fs. at this point, I would classify that as a distro issue.
zen doesnt work with endeavouros at all, never loaded (tried it less than an hour ago) and you either need to use a tiling wm, or gnome/kde neither of which i would do willingly
Zen works fine in endeavor for me last I checked, but then again I haven't checked for a few mkneths I don't recommend using our derivatives anyways.
on Wayland supported compositor "works" (hyprland and wayfire seem to have some issues). I personally use waydroid via cage ontop of x11. but a lot of people use weston. Ive been meaning to test cosmic but haven't gotten around to it.
EDIT: I haven't seen any other users talking about issues using zen kernel on the telegram either.
not unusual that you claim it works for everyone but me, its neither the first nor the last time
you are merely supporting what i said that it barely works for anything but tiling vms and some few select DEs, if you can even call wayfire that and i would very much like to avoid tilingvms at all costs, id like to use something more, well, usable
how so? People rarely have issues outside of some janky endeavor related bugs. hyprland's issues also effect other applications like wine,
it works on nearly every wayland compositor I have tested, labwc, and enlightenment are included. no idea where you get the impression that it only works on tiling wms.
I dont? Like i said, mainly tiling AND a select view graphical enviroments,
Gnome i find entirely unusable,
and enlightement just takes apples infuriating design choices,
And those, for me, are quite the limited selections to make it work
Edit: if it where to workwith a for me much more to use de like cinnamon or xfce, than id be more inclined to properly dive into it
again, it will work on pretty much any wayland environment, if you need it to work on x11, it can work there too, just use a nested compositor like cage. I have personally verified that you can use waydroid via cage on top of xfce.
I have no idea what you just said, nested compositor? Cage?,
But thats myoriginal point,
This makes it defacto unusable for people who dont want a hackerman solution, or jumping through hoops you have to research
Imagine telling that to a total newbie now who just wants their apps on linux like nox or bluestacks do
Haven't had an issue with it till now. so...
and there we are again, thats where it so often ends up on linux doesnt it? "it works for me so " or, as i like to interpret it "it works for me so there is no need to make it easier"
i have absolutely nothing against you, truly, but this is the exact same point i have seen repeated ad nauseam for so many different problems exclusive to linux
just because difficult works for some people, doesnt mean i shouldnt be allowed to complain about the fact there is no easier option
let me put it like this, you seem to be an outlier and there seems to be an issue with your setup, feel free to reach out on the telegram or github so people can take a look and see if they can help
speaking of here we are again im the outlier and it must be my setup
this is neither the first nor the last time ill hear that one
yes. which is why we would like to fix it...
ill never use telegram again, especially if i need to make an account again, and the few times i actually posted on github it felt so stuffy and crummy like you needed to be extremely careful about every single word you say
if you really wanted to fix something, make waydroid easier to use and most importantly, work regardless of desktop environment
~~the other thing that needs fixing is the linux mentality~~ you cant always point your finger at the user, sometimes, and heres the kicker, its not the user when certain programs cant even run on a stock distro that literally just got installed, like the whim of the code gods are rolling a dice, ill call bullhog on the "its the user" mentality
The only hard requirement is wayland, Thats not a hard sell, works perfectly fine on xfce when using a nested wayland compositor.
Waydroid also has matrix and discord available.
If you weren't willing to at least put a modicum of effort into reporting your issues properly, don't complain about open source software, go use Windows.
You're getting a free product, for free what a surprise. you can complain all you want, but in this case yes, it is your fault. If you're not willing to try and help yourself a little bit, then yes it's your fault.
we can't fix magical problems we can't replicate. I know that might be a little hard to believe, but it is true.
The fact of the matter is on The more popular distros, waydroid is more or less an out-of-box experience now. If you're not willing to help your specific use case get fixed, then it won't get fixed.
stop complaining.
how would you know how much effort i put into trying to fix things on linux? how would you know i spend days if not weeks in total trying to make garbage run that should have worked out the box.
yes, you cant fix it, cause you are not willing to make the actual piece of software work, clearly.
waydroid, literally, for a fact, is not an out of the box experience or it wouldnt have silly requirements as gpu, de/wm.
I am long past trying to fix things that shouldnt need fixing in the first place, if it doesnt work in under 30 minutes max, than whatever software it was is defacto broken and doesnt need to be used.
And you actually are right, well with one thing, you are free to tell me to stop complaining, and i am free to continue. neither of us has any power to make the other stop.
But we are clearly going in circle for a while, so as per my own rules on software, ill use them here as well.
I don't care how much effort you spent, I care about what is reported to waydroid devs. maybe instead of bashing your head against a wall, try reporting the issue. could be a lot more productive, waydroid works on intel and amd gpus, and will automatically fall back to software rendering on nvidia gpus.
there are a couple known issues around multi-gpu that are being worked on, but doesn't seem to be your issue. wayland works fine, X11+wayland works fine. xfce, lxqt, etc work fine when using a nested compositor. at this point, I can only assume the issues you have are made up in your head to try and shit on waydroid project.
before waydroid, there was indeed anbox, and it worked even less cause i never got it to install in the first place lol
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anbox is basically dead and its now all about waydroid so