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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ewww - the whole point of peer review is to catch this shit. If peer review isn't working, we should be going back to monographs :)

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I disagree there - peer review as a system isn't designed to catch fraud at all, it's designed to ensure that studies that get published meet a minimum standard for competence. Reviewers aren't asked to look for fake data, and in most cases aren't trained to spot it either.

Whether we need to create a new system that is designed to catch fraud prior to publication is a whole different question.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Whether we need to create a new system that is designed to catch fraud prior to publication is a whole different question

That system already exists. It's what replication studies are for. Whether we desperately need to massively bolster the amount of replication studies done is the question, and the answer is 'yes'.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But that's not S E X Y! We need new research, to earn grants and subsidize faculty pay!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

An institute for reproducibility would be awesome

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Agree! Maybe efforts spent working on projects assigned from the IFR would be rewarded with grant funds or grant extensions for novel projects.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We could award a certain percentage of grants and grad students should be able to get degrees doing replication studies. Unfortunately everyone is chasing total paper count and impact factor rankings and shit.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe we should consider replication studies to be "service to the community" when judging career accomplishments. Like, maybe you never chaired a conference but you published several replication studies instead. You could get your Masters students and/or undergrads to do the replications. We'd need journals that focus on replication studies, though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Nah. Enough of this service to community stuff. It always ends up meaning us doing more work for free that someone else profits from. It should be incentiviced with grant funds. Studies I would want to make sure undergo replication are industry sponsored. Industry sponsored studies should have to pay into a pool and certain studies would be selected for replication analysis with these funds.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah, reviewing is about making sure the methods are sound and the conclusions are supported by the data. Whether or not the data are correct is largely something that the reviewer cannot determine.

If a machine spits out a reading of 5.3, but the paper says 6.2, the reviewer can't catch that. If numbers are too perfect, you might be suspicious of it, but it's really not your job to go all forensic accountant on the data.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

You're conflating peer review and studies that verify results. The problem is that verifying someone else's results isn't sexy, doesn't get you grant money, and doesn't further your career. Redoing the work and verifying the results of other "pioneers" is important, but thankless work. Until we insensitivise doing the boring science by funding all fundamental science research more, this kind of problem will only get worse.