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    submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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    How do you guys get software that is not in your distribution's repositories?

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    [–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

    I tested installing some web browers, kdenlive, yuzu and libreoffice and without knowing I ended up with 3 different runtimes and the total storage usage (with deduplication) was 4.79 GIB.

    Meanwhile with 33 appimages that I have (which includes same flatpak apps I mentioned) are using 2.2 GiB.

    It doesn't matter if they share if in the end they end up using several times more storage than the appimage equivalent.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

    You should test it out with those 33 installed as flatpak. If you end up with 4.7GB for runtimes, that's basically nothing these days as far as storage goes for that amount of programs. More you have, more you benefit from shared runtimes. I doubt it'll be less than AppImages but it's usually the starting runtime space use that shocks people.

    Here someone tested it with 163 flatpaks and the runtimes used 8.7GB. With the top 5 most used runtimes covering 128 of those flatpaks.

    https://blogs.gnome.org/wjjt/2021/11/24/on-flatpak-disk-usage-and-deduplication/

    I just checked out mine, I have 34 apps and runtimes use 3,1GB

    It doesn't matter if they share if in the end they end up using several times more storage than the appimage equivalent.

    Well we are talking about two gigs, after all. Unless you're using an embedded system, it's not a much of a concern if you ask me. But it is more, true

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

    . If you end up with 4.7GB for runtimes, that’s basically nothing these days

    Yes but that wasn't the original comment I replied to was about.

    163 flatpaks and the runtimes used 8.7GB

    163 flatpaks using 8.7 GiB means that the average flatpak is using 54.6 MiB.

    That's good the other time I got this linked: https://tesk.page/2023/06/04/response-to-developers-are-lazy-thus-flatpak/#but-flatpaks-are-easier-for-end-users

    Which is no good as in that example there was 173 flatpaks using 27.66 GiB, average 160 MiB, while in your case the average flatpak is using 91 MiB.

    This is what I have with appimages:

    In this case the average appimage is using 69 MiB, though there is one outliner which is the Steam appimage that I have there (470 MiB) which is an entire conty container with its own video drivers and everything, without it the average would be 56 MiB.

    I know this doesn't matter these days but once again that wasn't what the original comment was about.

    Well we are talking about two gigs, after all. Unless you’re using an embedded system, it’s not a much of a concern if you ask me. But it is more, true

    Thanks for the link showing an average flatpak using 54 MiB though, didn't think it was possible lol.

    WAIT I just took a deeper look at the link, isn't that guy just showing the runtimes without the applications using 8.7 GiB?

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

    Yes but that wasn’t the original comment I replied to was about.

    I know this doesn’t matter these days but once again that wasn’t what the original comment was about.

    I agree, it was just about the size differences. I just think it's good to bring up since there's many confused about the flatpak size use. Often people might want to install some small app and they're hit with gigs of stuff and come off thinking that's the same for every app, which would be insane of course.

    WAIT I just took a deeper look at the link, isn’t that guy just showing the runtimes without the applications using 8.7 GiB?

    Yes it's specifically comparing runtimes. Same for my number, I was calculating how much the runtimes used.