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The beginning of the end
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This photo will launch a thousand chuds into the streets.
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Yeah I’m not looking forward to the ripple effect of this shooting
We were already well on this path. The only way out is through. This country has survived worse.
What was worse? Seriously, what? Even during secession, the president wasn’t the one causing the rift.
Uh, civil war & Lincoln assassination?
The Civil War... The bloodiest war in American history; brother fighting against brother.
https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2001/05/the-deadliest-war-html
...for a little context.
I hope that ends up being worse than this. I'm not sure it will be, but even if it is, the Civil War is a very high watermark. Things can get very very very VERY BAD without reaching that point. We don't want to get anywhere close to that
I simply chose the most obvious episode. There are others that were worse than our current time. We haven’t even topped the JFK/RFK/MLK era.
None of those had the president selling classified documents to the enemy countries.
Last I checked we aren’t a cunt hair’s breadth from nuclear war with Russia.
All of the 80's were like that, the cold war
Mostly cause I kinda doubt the Russian have fully operational nukes. The minutemen missiles are bitch to maintain with a military budget of fuck you. Meanwhile the Russians cant even build a proper modern MBT thats not based off of old Soviet tanks, either the missiles or warheads are broken is my bet.
I would say things were worse under Nixon, Reagan, and Bush only because the majority of the population was onboard with their authoritarianism. In those days we had the beginning of the war on drugs, mass incarcerations, US backed death squads, flooding the cities with crack, trading arms for hostages, torture, begging of forever wars...
The population has become significantly more leftwing over the last 20 years. Even if Trump gains power again, our numbers are large enough that everything they want to do will be a brutal fight against the majority
I get that Reagan laid the foundation for what became MAGA Republican Party, but was it really worse than trying a coup d’etàt to stay in power?
He didn't need to, which I think is worse. I would rather live in the timeline where Trump had to coup than the timeline where he won 49 states for reelection.
I mean, you might head for a world where he staged a coup and then got reelected
No. Well not for us at least. The rest of the world on the other hand...
Serious question, what are you worried will happen?
For me it's: Inciting violence, justifying conspiracy theories, Trump becoming president
Or maybe trump turns into a chicken, quit election race an refuse to show up in front of the public ever again. God that would be so fucking good please let it be the case...
That narcissist is in way too deep to ever change his mind. Sponging off the spotlight is all he’s ever had and it’s rewarded him his whole life. No way this turns him around.
Shame he won't get ptsd over this.
You have to have a fully functioning brain for that to happen.
Trump needs to win to pardon himself (regardless of legality, this is his goal)
The mind looks for problems and negative outcomes. There is every chance this leads to people on the fence to not want this guy and the chaos that follows him around in their lives for four years.
I mean, maybe?
And that's different from every other day the last year because?
My main worry is individual rightwingers taking revenge on students/immigrants/queers with a mass shooting.
Other worries:
I'm seeing people in Israel say that the anti-Netanyahu protests there are now 'encourging assassination attempts'. This will lead to a crackdown on any protests all over the world.
The democrats will now roll over and go extremely passive or try to downplay how bad Trump is.
The media refusing to criticize Trump at all from now on.
I see a few right wingers killing college kids, and then red states will hire Blackwater type people to “secure” their blue colleges.
They will inevitably protest and get gunned down, all Trump voters will be cheering their deaths, and we will see more crackdowns on any places of thought.
The US isn't leader the World in that sense anymore (after what's happenned in the last decade, most of the World doesn't look up to America as a "beacon" of Freedom or Democracy) and Israel as a nation politically dominated by an ethno-Fascist ideology for most of its existence and even with ethnic discrimination explicitly enshrined at a Constitutional level, is hardly representative of Democratic nations.
So the idea that following this in America "there will be a crackdown on any protest all over the World" (emphasis mine) smells a lot of "nationalist delusions of grandeur" and seems I'll informed.
I'm not American.
You don't need to be under the US' sphere of influence to exploit current US events for your own political purposes.
US media is shown around the whole world, events inside the country are world news. People on every continent are aware that Trump was almost shot.
But fine. Let me pull specific example countries from all over the world (emphasis yours) that I was thinking of:
South America: Argentina with Milei
Europe: Netherlands with Wilders
North America: Canada with PP
Africa: The west African nations moving under Russian influence
Asia: Philippines with Marcos, India with Modi
Let me know if you've never heard of any of the countries or politicians and I will go into more detail about them to educate you, my dear friend.
I've lived in The Netherlands for almost a decade.
The idea that the Dutch would go along with crackdowns on protests because "Wilders" is hilarious and the idea that they would do so inspired by what's going on in America is even more so: this is a country that's had rose buurts (red-light districts) and coffee shops for decades - during the period of peak American cultural dominance, with its weird moralism with strong religious undertones - and where the first leader of the Far Right (from were Wilders' party descends), Pim Fortuyn, was from the very start very openly gay: what other nation on Earth is so open minded that their Far Right took off under the leadership of an openly gay person?!
I mean, this is the only country I lived in where if somebody is being a disturbance in the train (say, playing music out loud) and refuses to stop when politelly asked for, the entire carriage gets up against that person.
Whilst I've been out of that country for over a decade, I think it take an incredible profound shift in their actual culture for people to go along with a crack-down on demonstrations in general, much less because some politician in America got shot at. Now, Germany, on the other hand, I see as far more likely to go down that route since the power elites there already do a number of somewhat-autocratic things towards their population (such as tighter surveillance than most of Europe and the recent "anti-semitism" legislation that's really about supressing criticism of an ethno-Fascist state) - that place hasn't actually got rid of certain perspectives amongst the Power Elites that made it so easy for the Nazis to take over.
I mean, I don't disagree that weak "Democracies" (say, Orban's Hungary or Modi's India) might use this as a pretext to crackdown even more on political dissent than they already do (as they would use just about anything that's even remotelly useful for that purpose), but beyond such highly subverted Democracies and Autocracies, the visible effects of the peculiar intersection of American politics and gun laws aren't really something that would sway the locals elsewhere into changing their practices of civil society movements and and thresholds of acceptability of suppression of them - I've even lived in the UK - which in some ways is the closest to America country in Europe - and what happenned to Trump is the kind of situations that Brits see as "the kind of thing that would never happen here" and would inspire exactly zero pushback against anything in Britain.
Yet another shooting in "one school-shooting a week"-America isn't really an inspiration for other countries to crack down on anything.
Sure thing buddy 👍
Project 2025 will be implemented. We will see poverty return to most of America as all social services end and many jobs are lost.
We won’t see a decrease in tax burden, the federal government will be used as a way to siphon all money possible from the middle and lower class into the hands of a few hundred people.
It's already here for many, but I get it... there will be new poor.
Yeah, my point was kind of lost. Sorry.
It was more about those in the middle or upper middle class, the preponderance of tax payers, will now find themselves completely broke.
Well not anything too crazy, just it can defin be a situation where people like him more and it feeds into his “ Trump vs everyone else” rhetoric.
At the end of the day, this will be a very interesting part of the historical timeline. So I would not be surprised if this year or one the subsequent ones turns out to be as turbulent as 1968.
That the United States becomes the Republic of Gilead...
"An almost-assassinated leader gets so much credibility, so he can stay in power and gets to stick around to enjoy it."
The Interpreter (2005)