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I'm surprised by some of the comments here. So much hatred for the teenagers but very little reflection on the responsibility of us as adults to create a world which is safe and understandable for young people. The real story here is not about the actions of the boys, it is about the actions of the people operating the websites they used, the big tech companies who created the tools and the governments (which we adults vote for) failing to properly regulate any of this. Generative AI is a disaster for young people and it was adults who created and unleashed it on them.
We (adults) created a world with knives, guns, automobiles. But if any of these were used by a child for manslaughter would you still blame collective adults? No, parents are held responsible for protecting their children and controlling their access to dangerous tools.
Bad argument. None of those things are easily accessible by, or even targeted at, teenagers. Generative AI is a technology that big tech is specifically building into the social media platforms and devices that young people use every day and there is no regulation or education to protect against the dangers it poses.
Yeah. Society is responsible for the outcomes of its children. It shouldn't personally hurt your feelings but it should motivate your actions.
I mean I would and do in fact literally blame societal and familial problems when kids are brutal, unkind, or hurt others, and similarly blame societal and familial problems for when kids are not protected from brutal, unkind, and hurtful things.
Why are you saying the things you're saying like a gotcha? Do you not feel that society has a significant impact on the behavior of youth?
I'm an adult and am not responsible for anything you described. They were all there even before I was born. In fact, the same may apply to my parents or even grandparents. I'd rather blame a sociopolitical class than any single generation for all those ills.
But to answer your question, yes, I'd blame that entire class for the harm caused by young people using murder tools they introduced. They did it with the full knowledge of its consequences. They valued momentary material gains above the wellbeing of entire generations. They absolutely should be punished for all the mass shootings in schools, because they knew it could happen. Yet they chose the blood money. Similarly, if an entire city is under a drugs epidemic (like the current opioid crisis), wouldn't you want to hunt down the producers and suppliers, instead of the users?
I sometimes think AI is code for something of a normal computing capacity, but with the ability to decentralize and create a market of buzzword style shovelware pump and dumps.
Would the impact have been any different if they had used photoshop?
Since when could someone do this in Photoshop with a couple of clicks and zero training, for free and on any device? Since when has Adobe specifically marketed Photoshop as a tool for creating sexually explicit images?
You know, somebody probably said the exact same thing about Photoshop when it first came out? Back when cutting up photos and pasting them together was a thing. Then again, somebody probably said the same thing about the advent of photography too, during the days of woodcuts and oil paintings.
Since when has Adobe specifically marketed Photoshop as a tool for creating sexually explicit images?
Fuck knows. It's not like I made any such claim, you just decided to put up a strawman argument.
How is it a "strawman" when it relates specifically to the topic being discussed? A simple web search can bring up countless examples of generative AI tools that are designed to "undress" or "nudify" women. You seem to believe there is zero difference between using one of these sites and using Photoshop, so I am asking when Adobe marketed Photoshop as an undressing tool. The ease of use and access is the key difference here that you are trying to avoid acknowledging.
My question was very simple and limited in scope:
I did not make any sweeping comments, and I would appreciate if you stopped trying to claim things on my behalf.
They didn't use Photoshop, they used generative AI. Maybe you should spend a little less time trying to save face and a little more time thinking about why that might have been.
Right. I see there's no logical discussion to be had here. Have a good day.
I deal with this a lot and it's funny to see it happen to someone else and respond in a similar way.
That tends to happen when you make thoughtless comparisons, get called out then cry "s-s-s-strawman!!!!" instead of engaging with the relevant issue(s).